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In a recent interview with 71, Ehome’s manager, in English, the following statements were exchanged:

Is ACE still limiting EHOME’s training opponents and more?

These questions should be directed to ACE; team questions ask the teams.

Facing such bans from ACE, what is EHOME doing in trainings to solve such problems?

We can’t do anything about it. In the eyes of foreign teams we are a Chinese team, but in the eyes of Chinese teams we are a foreign team. We can’t blame our mediocre performances on this, I believe Na`Vi themselves didn’t get the best training environment too. Many people have asked me about this ban from ACE, you really should just ask ACE, who is agreeing to such decisions?

ACE is, AFAIK, the equivalent of KESPA for Chinese Dota. They ‘stand for’ the teams themselves, have far reaching authority within the Chinese eSports circle, and run their own Dota league. That they had the ability to prevent other pro teams from training with Ehome is troubling, to say the least.

I searched around for why Ehome was banned from ACE, but unfortunately this information is not available in English. Seeing that there are several Chinese members on this forum who have insight into the Chinese scene, I am starting this thread to see whether other people know about what happened between Ehome and ACE. I also want to know what other people think about ACE – I personally am not a fan of KESPA and the authority it held over BW, and am wondering whether ACE is going to become the same.

ACE is, AFAIK, the equivalent of KESPA for Chinese Dota. They ‘stand for’ the teams themselves, have far reaching authority within the Chinese eSports circle, and run their own Dota league. That they had the ability to prevent other pro teams from training with Ehome is troubling, to say the least.I searched around for why Ehome was banned from ACE, but unfortunately this information is not available in English. Seeing that there are several Chinese members on this forum who have insight into the Chinese scene, I am starting this thread to see whether other people know about what happened between Ehome and ACE. I also want to know what other people think about ACE – I personally am not a fan of KESPA and the authority it held over BW, and am wondering whether ACE is going to become the same.

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Its a long and complicated problem filled with Drama

basically, first, ACE was created by the top teams as some sort of arbiter organization for Chinese esports as a amalgamation of the top teams. Included in its founding rules were a set of regulations designed to better facilitate player contracts and players moving from team to team (as opposed to a chaotic situation where players can often be poached from team to team without proper channels or compensation.

EHome’s reformation involved a pair of moves that basically spat on those rules, one is the poaching of players contracted to another team without proper communication or compensation (CLC), essentially stripping the team (with at least one member of EHOME planning it from the start) and the other the “illegal” and “contract breaking” way it obtained Lanm

Keep in mind that EHOME’s real power was its name, having been winner of ESWC 2010 and Runner up at TI2011, EHOME was thought to have been guaranteed a spot (as long as 1-2 members of its original roster was intact) to be invited to TI2012, LanM essentially went back on his contract with Tongfu and jumped to EHOME when the Chinese invitation situation was rather murky. (It was thought at the time that while iG, DK, EHome, and LGD all existed that the chance of Tongfu being invited was next to nil)

These practices, along with the overall reputation of 71 (the own of Ehome) as a general scumbag (he had demanded a portion of Ehome’s winnings blah blah blah, lowest wages and worst conditions of the top teams etc etc), made it obviously impossible for Ehome to join the ACE league, being the only major club not to do so. Ehome also showed no interest in participating in the ACE league, as it has adopted a “DotA2 only” policy upon its reformation. The ACE president, when asked about this in an interview was essentially conciliatory and welcoming to Ehome joining as long as it was willing to abide by the rules.

This Drama became fueled by various blogs/interviews/weibo (Chinese twitter) posts as 71 adopted a more aloof approach and blasted the league publicly. Obviously since ACE has no power over a team that was not its member and Ehome had not been interested in the League, one of the few ways, (aside from remarks and interviews) to “punish” Ehome was a general ban on practicing with Ehome (whether this was an overall league policy or done on a club by club basis is unknown, and it is not known how seriously it was taken), further isolation Ehome from the rest of the Chinese DotA scene.

With the success of TI2012 and tentative talks of both the official release of DotA2 beta in China under Perfect world and the (speculated) movement of events like ACE league and G league to DotA2 by the end of the year, this situation has reached a point where some sort of reconciliation has become necessary for Ehome’s existence as a club since it would be barred from the major events (which it had happily accepted with TI2012 on the horizon).

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Thanks for the summary Kupon3ss

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tl;dr ACE banned EHOME because of the way they dealt the transfer of LaNm from TongFu

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I see.

Thanks for the replies Kupon and GosuMali.

Judging from what you guys said, the issue was that Ehome violated player contracts by approaching them while they were still contracted.

But isn’t this a player issue rather than a team issue?

Isn’t it up to the players to honor their contracts, rather than the teams?

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ACE is the pact between teams to handle negotiations with each other in a certain way. They all follow certain rules and play nice with each other within those set of rules.

EHOME doesn’t engage in the pact.

EHOME then does something that is a gross violation of the terms of the pact. The management poaches players and accepts a player that reneges on a contract.

The pact then extends the terms of the pact to not include EHOME as practice partners as punishment.

It’s not hard to imagine that ACE would be doing this to protect its own integrity.

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On September 14 2012 04:23 Azarkon wrote:
I see.

Thanks for the replies Kupon and GosuMali.

Judging from what you guys said, the issue was that Ehome violated player contracts by approaching them while they were still contracted.

But isn’t this a player issue rather than a team issue?

Isn’t it up to the players to honor their contracts, rather than the teams?

Both players and teams are in fault really, but it’s understandable if a player breaks contracts for a significantly better one, it’s the teams that poach players that are pure evil

Both players and teams are in fault really, but it’s understandable if a player breaks contracts for a significantly better one, it’s the teams that poach players that are pure evil

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Not to mention that it’s hard not to blame the EHOME organization when essentially the entire team was poached in one way or another. It’s really not just the LanM issue–seeing as EHOME basically gutted the CLC team (and left Crystal high and dry) to get 4 of its players.

When a team gets one of its players this way, it’s probably an issue with the player. When there entire lineup is acquired through poaching players one way or another, you have to question how the organization is running itself.

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http://dota2.sgamer.com/news/201208/146797.html

his predictions for TI2012 were also hilarious to read and surprisingly accurate

crystal is also super good at making dramahis predictions for TI2012 were also hilarious to read and surprisingly accurate

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On September 14 2012 04:37 TheYango wrote:
Not to mention that it’s hard not to blame the EHOME organization when essentially the entire team was poached in one way or another. It’s really not just the LanM issue–seeing as EHOME basically gutted the CLC team (and left Crystal high and dry) to get 4 of its players.

When a team gets one of its players this way, it’s probably an issue with the player. When there entire lineup is acquired through poaching players one way or another, you have to question how the organization is running itself.

Wasn’t Ehome itself gutted by other teams doing the same? I remember that during the great Chinese reshuffle, this sort of practice was standard. From what you guys are saying, ACE was started to stop this practice, yet when Ehome gutted CLC, was ACE finalized?

Wasn’t Ehome itself gutted by other teams doing the same? I remember that during the great Chinese reshuffle, this sort of practice was standard. From what you guys are saying, ACE was started to stop this practice, yet when Ehome gutted CLC, was ACE finalized?

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the notorious 71 got what he deserved.
it wasn’t Lanm’s fault or intention.
it has nothing to do with regulation nor justice. its the way 71 handle things

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I personally believe that Ehome and ACE are well on the way to reconciliation at this point, should probably be announced within the week (perhaps after the ACE league finals)

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On September 14 2012 04:40 Kupon3ss wrote:
crystal is also super good at making drama

http://dota2.sgamer.com/news/201208/146797.html

his predictions for TI2012 were also hilarious to read and surprisingly accurate

crystal is also super good at making dramahis predictions for TI2012 were also hilarious to read and surprisingly accurate

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The International is the mecca of Dota 2.

With The International 10 only a few days away, we’ve decided to take a trip down memory lane by revisiting every team that has won the Dota 2 world championship.

This list also shows just how much the tournament has monetarily grown throughout the years, for Valve and the community have consistently pushed to increase the total prize money in each succeeding tournament.

What is The International?

The International is Valve’s annual Dota 2 world championship tournament where the best Dota 2 teams battle it out for the title and one of the biggest prize pools in all of esports.

This year’s TI10 boasts a whopping US$40,018,195 prize pool, where the winner will take home US$18,208,300. TI is the tournament every professional Dota 2 player hopes to win someday in their career.

Every team that has won The International

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EVENTWINNERSGRAND PRIZE EARNINGSTI1Natus VincereUS$1 millionTI2Invictus GamingUS$1 millionTI3AllianceUS$1,437,190TI4NewbeeUS$5,025,029TI5Evil GeniusesUS$6,634,661TI6Wings GamingUS$9,139,002TI7Team LiquidUS$10,862,683TI8OGUS$11,234,158TI9OGUS$15,620,181TI10Team SpiritUS$18,208,300

TI1 winner: Natus Vincere

TI1 champions: Natus Vincere’s Dendi, Artstyle, Puppey, and XBOCT
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TI1 took place at GamesCom in Cologne, Germany, where CIS squad Natus Vincere won the first-ever The International in 2011 by defeating EHOME 3-1.

The team included Dota 2 legend Clement “Puppey” Ivanov, who is the only player in history to participate in every TI.

Na’Vi took home the US$1 million grand prize from TI1’s US$1.6 million prize pool. 

TI2 winner: Invictus Gaming

TI2 champions: Invictus Gaming’s ChuaN, YYF, Ferrari_430, Faith, and Zhou
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TI2 was held at Benaroya Hall in Seattle, Washington, where China’s Invictus Gaming won The International 2012 by defeating last year’s TI1 champions, Natus Vincere, 3-1.

Invictus Gaming brought home the US$1 million grand prize from TI2’s US$1.6 million prize pool.

TI3 winner: Alliance

TI3 champions: Alliance’s Loda, s4, EGM, Akke, and AdmiralBulldog
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TI3 was the event where the tournament organizers introduced Dota 2’s Compendium, which increased the base prize pool by US$2.50 each time someone purchased it.

The following tournament featured one of the most thrilling grand final matches between European team Alliance and TI1 championship squad Natus Vincere.

In one of the most action-packed matches in TI history, Alliance eventually defeated Natus Vincere 3-1, and single-handedly booted Dota 2’s popularity around the world.

Alliance took home the US$1,437,190 grand prize from TI3’s US$$2,874,380 prize pool.

TI4 winner: Newbee

TI4 champions: Newbee’s Banana, Mu, Hau, xiao8, and SanSheng
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With Dota 2 and The International growing in popularity, the company moved the tournament to KeyArena in Seattle, Washington.

This was where China reasserted its dominance, after Newbee defeated Vici Gaming in the grand final with a 3-1 score.

Newbee earned US$5,025,029 in prize money from TI4’s US$$10,923,977 total prize pool.

TI5 winner: Evil Geniuses

TI5 champions: UNiVeRsE, Aui_2000, ppd, fear, SumaiL
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The fifth annual edition of The International marked North America’s first win after Evil Geniuses defeated Chinese squad CDEC Gaming, 3-1.

TI5 was also the year Valve decided to change the event’s prize allocation by spreading it out so that all participating teams would walk away with a significant amount of money.

Evil Geniuses won US$6,634,661 which was the lion’s share of TI5’s Prize pool’s $18,429,613 prize pool.

TI6 winner: Wings Gaming

TI6 champions: Wings Gaming’s Faith_bian, iceice, shadow, y`, and bLink
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The International 2016 was the third consecutive year that Valve hosted the tournament at KeyArena. This was also the year where the Dota 2 game developers decided to switch out the Compendium for the Battle Pass, which contributed 25% of its total proceeds to the event’s prize pool.

TI6 featured the tournament’s third Chinese TI winner, Wings Gaming, who emerged victorious over Digital Chaos 3-1 in the grand final.

Wings Gaming won the US$9,139,002 grand prize taken from TI6’s $20,770,460 prize pool.

TI7 winner: Team Liquid

TI7 champions: Team Liquid’s KoroKy, MATUMBAMAN, MinD_ContRoL, Miracle-, and GH
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In 2017, the company decided to increase the total number of teams from 16 to 18. TI7 was won by European squad Team Liquid after they swept Chinese squad Newbee, 3-0, in the grand final.

Team Liquid took home the US$10,862,683 grand prize from TI7’s US$$24,787,916 prize pool.

TI8 winner: OG

TI8 champions: N0tail, Ceb, Topson, Jerax, and Ana
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The International 2018 made its way to Vancouver, Canada, and showcased Valve’s new point-based system within the DPC Major and Minor tournaments. These points decided which teams qualified for TI8.

The grand final completed OG’s historic Cinderella run as they defeated Chinese squad PSG.LGD, 3-2. OG won the US$11,234,158 grand prize from TI8’s US$25,532,177 prize pool.

TI9 winner: OG

TI9 champions: OG’s N0tail
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The International 2019 was a historic event, where Valve crowned its first-ever two-time back-to-back champion in OG.

Johan “N0tail” Sundstein and the rest of OG defeated fellow European squad Team Liquid in the grand final 3-1.

OG was awarded the US$15,620,181 grand prize from TI9’s massive $34,330,068 prize pool.

TI10 winner: Team Spirit

TI10 champions: Team Spirit’s Mira, Collapse, TORONTOTOKYO
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After The International taking a hiatus in 2020 due to the COVID-19 global pandemic, Valve hosted the tournament in the following year and crowned Team Spirit as its TI10 champions.

Team Spirit became the first Russian team to win the Aegis of the Immortal by defeating Chinese powerhouse team PSG.LGD 3-2 in the grand final.

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[Techies] EG (Evil Geniuses) vs EHOME Dota 2 Highlights TI5 Upper Bracket Game 2

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